MSH Specialty Review: General Surgery
Next up in the MSH Specialty Review Series is general surgery. I’m now going to begin each review with a summary that can be easily scanned for important information.
Summary Review
Residency Training Information
- 5 year residency
- 80+ hour work weeks
- Expect around q4 call
General Surgery Trends
- Overall interest declining
- Lifestyle cited as top reason
- Despite this, above-average board scores needed to secure spot
Post Residency Careers
- Job market looks good
- Demand for surgeons is up as fewer enter the marketplace
Salaries
- Salaries average at around $261,000 annually
Lifestyle
- Overall considered “poor”
- General surgeons reportedly worked an average of 60 hours per week
Rating
- 3.5/10
Introduction
Surgery is without a doubt one of the most demanding specialties that a medical student can choose. Interest in surgery has decreased to a low of 5.3 percent in 2002. Television shows such as Grey’s Anatomy, which frequently glamorize the surgical lifestyle, has the potential to pique interest in the surgical specialties once again. Some state that the 80 hour weekly work week implemented in 2003 has increased interest in surgery again.
Residency Training Information
Preparation for a practice in general surgery is 5 years. Expect an additional 2-3 years if you want to sub-specialize with a surgical fellowship. Average residency salaries start in the high $30,000 per year range, but given the number of hours you’ll be working, your average hourly wage will be lower than specialties that aren’t as demanding. General surgery participates in the regular NRMP match.
Residency work hours are grueling. Expect no less than 80 hours per week. In fact, it’s pretty safe to say that you’ll work over 80 hours and be expected to “fudge” the numbers if necessary. This is quite common from surgical residents that I have spoken to, and while not something that will be exposed except on rare occasions, is probably more common than not.
Call while in residency will obviously vary by program, but q4 call would probably be a safe bet for programs across the board.
According to this study, an average of 2753 hours or 14.3% of 19,200 hours (5 years of 80-hour work weeks) were spent as a chief surgeon, 272 hours as an assistant, and another 938 hours for immediate preoperative and postoperative attendance. The average total time for operative training was 3963 hours or 20.6% of 5 years of 80-hour weeks (16.5 h/wk).
Keep in mind that working residents past the 80 hour work week will certainly vary by program. I hope you’re reading this review for the real deal. I won’t lie and say that you won’t work over 80 hours. I honestly believe that as a surgery resident, you will.
General Surgery Trends
Based on my experiences and research overall interest in surgery is declining, and lifestyle is the top reason cited. Today’s medical student is a smarter medical student - looking towards a healthy life and reasonable work hours. This is a very good change, and is something that surgical residency program directors need to take into consideration.
However, those students genuinely interested in surgery throw lifestyle out of the window. The fact is that somebody has to do it - I’m just glad it’s not me. Despite the overall decline in interest, general surgery is still considered a competitive field, and above-average board scores and grades are generally required to secure a spot for residency.
It’s important to consider the opportunity cost that is given up when choosing surgery. Most residents won’t be ready to hit practice until 7-8 years down the road, as more and more physicians are choosing to go the fellowship route. Compare this with some of the less demanding specialties that require 3 years’ worth of post-graduate training.
Post Residency Careers
The job availability for a general surgeon appears to currently look good. For example, a general surgery job search at Locum Tenens shows over 1500 results from all over the country.
Residents do report getting several job offers throughout their residency career. Be wary of promises of guaranteed income, however. Most income guarantees are only until you get on your feet, and typically for a year or two at most.
The post-residency job availability is probably due to the overall decrease in demand for careers in general surgery altogether. With fewer surgeons being trained each year, there will be a natural increase in available jobs as demand for surgical procedures remains unchanged.
“There is a concern,” said Brundage. “Surgery is a highly valuable commodity and as the numbers of surgeons are on the decline, access to surgical care will be more difficult. Even at this time in the United States, there are waiting lists of six to eight months for some non-emergency surgical procedures. Rural communities and inner cities are particularly underserved. As the numbers of surgeons decline, there is bound to be an even more pronounced shortage of surgeons.”
Nevertheless, the promise of increased jobs is certainly a trade off for lifestyle should you choose a career path down the surgical road.
Salaries
Salaries for general surgeons are above average for medical specialties. Using salary data from 2 different sources, we see salaries ranging from a low of $150,000 annually to a high of $520,000 annually reported. The averages are more in line of what we need to be looking at, and across the two data sources I have a calculated average of $261,000.
As far as salary trends go, the low-end salaries actually decreased from 2002 to 2006, while average salaries increased during the same time period. This is probably due to the reporting of higher salaries on the high end of the spectrum, bringing the average back into line.
If the shortage of general surgeons continues, expect increases in salaries as practices attempt to recruit more surgeons. It’s unclear at this point whether salary increases will be enough to entice medical students to pursue general surgery, but given comparable salaries in other medical specialties with less demands, some more drastic changes may be required.
Lifestyle
The lifestyle of a surgeon is considered poor by today’s medical students. In fact, the number three reported reason for dissatisfaction with general surgery was cited as “lifestyle issues” by practicing general surgeons today. This was behind reimbursement and medical liability issues, respectively.
In general, practicing general surgeons work unpredictable hours and average 60 hours per week in actual practice. These average work hours were close to the top of the list, exceeded only by OB/GYN Anesthesiology, and Urology. Expect rounding on your patients both pre- and post-op, as well as a rigorous schedule in the OR. Call will depend upon your employment situation.
Interestingly, spouses of general surgeons were found to be the major decision makers at home as well less likely to work outside of the home. Further, they were less likely to give credit to the general surgeon for contributing to household duties and childcare. Probably a result of less family time on the part of the general surgeon, but these results are interesting and something I ran across during my research.
Final Thoughts
To be a surgeon for the remainder of your working life will take many sacrifices, many involving your personal and family life. The salary of a general surgeon is above average for medical specialties, but certainly involves trading a great deal of time for that money.
Post-op patients are frequently very sick, and changing wound dressings or swabbing wound discharge might not be as appealing to you after 20 years of practice. Of course, there’s always the question “have you passed gas or stool today, Mr. Smith?”
You will be at an increased risk for infectious disease exposure, and operating on patients who cannot pay for services rendered will be somewhat common depending upon your practice situation.
On the other hand, if the only place you feel at home is the OR, then a career in surgery may be for you. Surgeons typically enjoy working with their hands, and it is often considered a more “procedural” versus “cerebral” specialty. If you enjoy doing procedures, suturing, and generally seeing patients improve after a case, then you just might be cut out to be a surgeon.
The job market looks promising for residents that are finishing up training in general surgery, and I expect for that to continue as fewer general surgeons enter the job marketplace.
At the end of each review, I’m going to break it down into two factors: Lifestyle and Salary. The idea is to find the best combination of these two factors. In my opinion, that is the perfect specialty.
Final Rating:
Lifestyle: 0/10
Salary: 7/10
Average: 3.5/10
Resources
- Locum Tenens 2006 General Surgery Salary Survey
- Surgery career lifestyle unappealing to medical students, research reveals
- Student Doctor Surgery Forums
- How much time do surgical residents need to learn operative surgery?
- Locum Tenens
- Physician Salaries
- 2006 Review of Physician Recruitment Incentives
- Average Hours Worked By Specialty
- Gender differences among spouses of surgeons
- American College of Surgeons
- Successfully Navigating the First Year of Surgical Residency: Essentials for Medical Students and PGY-1 Residents
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L said
February 24 2007 @ 7:02 pm
I’ve been waiting for this specialty review. I was wondering how you were going to handle it, since you don’t make attempt to mask your hatred of surgery in any of your other posts.
I’m surprised that you were able to hide your bias as much as you did in the article, but you clearly fudged some of your info. I’m not sure how you can make the claim that interest in surgery is declining. You’re using information from 2002 (5 years out of date) to support that claim. If you check the NRMP statistics for 2003-2006, it’s obvious that interest in surgery is increasing every year, to the point where there was only one unfilled spot in last year’s match.
Regardless, I enjoy reading your blog, but I much prefer to read about your experiences in Med School Hell than to read the pseudo-statistics in your specialty reviews.
Hoover said
February 24 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Yeah, some of the sources I used are slightly dated. I should’ve looked at the NRMP stats for more up-to-date information. To be clear though, I didn’t ‘fudge’ any of the information. The information you see in the post can all be verified through the resource links that I posted.
I do think that interest in “lifestyle specialties” is increasing. Which means, by default, that interest in “non-lifestyle specialties” is decreasing. Surgery certainly falls into the latter category.
Regardless, I think surgery sucks donkey nuts as you correctly pointed out. You want a classic MSH review? Here ya go:
General Surgery
General surgery is the worst specialty that a medical student can consider. Surgeons are typically no-life assholes who spend nearly every waking (and sleeping) minute in the hospital. Their life’s work is not centered around saving patients, but rather being egotistical pricks who like trying to look better than everyone else.
The bottom line is that they’re pissed off that they have to work more hours for the same amount of money than their “lifestyle specialty” colleagues who ultimately made better decisions regarding career plans pre-residency.
If you want a good life, even when you’re 50 years old and tired of spending your entire fucking life in the hospital, stay away from surgery.
Is that better?
Panda Bear said
February 27 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Man. People are so insecure. If they want to go into general surgery (or any of the other specialties that suck the proverbial hind titty for that matter) then more power to ‘em but I still find the need to justify themselves to the heretics inexplicable.
gujudoc said
March 3 2007 @ 2:28 pm
hahahahaha yeah the other thing is I don’t know if surgery is worth it with the greater risks of contracting HIV or Hepatitis C which tend to be big problems. The Former Dean of Student Affairs at one of the Fl. schools had Hep. C which he contracted when performing a transplant surgery. Also, I think the general shift in trends tends to do with the fact that there are more and more women who are going into medicine which means less likely chance of going into surgery as most women intend on having a family unit at some point.
Hoover said
March 3 2007 @ 3:34 pm
I agree guju. Combine the increased risk of infectious disease contraction with the shitty work hours and you’ve got yourself a sure loser.
Bob said
March 4 2007 @ 11:04 pm
I am a first year at Stanford and though the school itself really is top notch, I fucking hate studying this material. As Panda said on his blog, it’s not intelectually demanding, it’s just really, really boring studying basic science literature all of the time.
I hope third year is better! I was thinking of doing surgery (I like the hands-on stuff, and I hate having to recall trivial facts and minutia), but the more I look at surgery residencies, the more I realize that I want my career to be the focus of my life, but not the entirety of it - and posts like yours are exactly the sort of No Bull Shit perspectives I need to hear.
I may go into surgery, I may not; whatever I do, it will be with eyes wide open.
So that’s all to say… Thanks Much!
Also, how about a neurology review?
Hoover said
March 4 2007 @ 11:35 pm
I’ll try and get up a neuro review pretty soon. I’d actually like to cover all of the popular specialties at some point. The specialty reviews involve more research than I initially expected, mainly because I want to present the information as the facts with small bits of my opinion thrown in.
As far as surgery is concerned, the hands-on stuff will be there most definitely, but if you want any sort of lifestyle at all you should reconsider your choice.
I had a long comment typed up, but I want to wait and post it as a separate post as I believe it warrants its own discussion.
John Smith said
March 13 2007 @ 2:53 pm
I am a military general surgeon, and my advice would simply be to go into the area that you enjoy during your 3rd and 4th year rotations. You’ll find an area that you fit into better than others, depending on who you are and what you want. It is true that surgery demands more of you, and you don’t get it back financially. It does take a large toll on your family life as well.
As you make your decision, try to leave your classmates and what they are doing out of it. Lots of people get into competition about what they’re going to do, which is very foolish. Do what you want to do.
Hoover said
March 13 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Great comment John, and it’s refreshing to hear the truth from a general surgeon in practice.
Paddy said
March 13 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Make sure ya cover Radiology as well, will you please? Great article, and great blog!
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