So You Want To Write?
I’ve gotten a few requests for writers through the comments and contact form here at MSH. Since I’ve been out of the game for so long now, this is really the only way others will benefit from hearing the truth about medical training.
People want to hear from those that are in the trenches. I want to hear from you guys that are fucking fed up with medical training and the way you’re treated.
Let’s make this the official thread if you want to write for this site. It gets a nice amount of traffic and your work will be read. All I ask is that you’re a current medical student or resident and can share some of your experiences with thousands of readers each week.
So, hit up the comments on this post and I promise I’ll get back to you if you want to write for this site.
Hoover,
You are a source of inspiration and unfettered truth in a world of retard premeds and medical school bureaucracy. I found the light by accident one day when perusing the SDN forum — which is a cesspool of diarrhea, vomit, AIDs, pre-meds, and moderators with no lives all intertwined together in a big orgy of runny nasty fluids and rectal exams.
You must be our savior Hoover. So will you be our our Messiah,our prophet if you will, against this horrible system of buttmunching and cocksucking that exists throughout this fagocracy?
And you need to start updating your website more you asshole. Put ads on it so you can make money on it or whatever, and let the truth continue to be heard!
Yours Truly,
A Gay Bear Jew Named Desire
These words mean a great deal to me today. Truly, it is necessary to let go – I see that.
Also, I know how to write, count me in.
Angry medic. Third year medical student out of a five year course (so just started my ‘firms’/clerkships) in England are realising what a waste of time it is. My task for the day that involved me bustin my balls since age 15, GCSEs, A levels, two years of preclinical medicine? Uncatching the end of a roll of sellotape.
I have more stories than I can shake a stick at!
why are you in Britain? Why don’t you go to AMerica to make more money?
~
Fag
They make good money in England, Americans think that because its “the United States” that they are the best paid in the world when in fact in some other countries, people do as well if not more than the US…specially specialties.
For example, even in a third world country like Mexico, a certified plastic surgeon (consider also that they don’t have to do the bullshit premed nor any college as in here the US) they can make as much as a plastic surgeon in the US, and even more with a private clinic.
Read this blog for salary comparisons between nations, America still beats the rest even though the taxes suck dick:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/
> (consider also that they don’t have to do the bullshit premed nor any college as in here the US)
I’m glad you mentioned that. No where else in Europe or Asia do they require students to go through 4 years of a completely unrelated bullshit.
And the amount of loopholes to “prove” yourself is ridiculous.
My girlfriend who has a 3.3 gpa and a 37 MCAT (bit younger than me) got rejected from Albany Med the other day.
This is Albany Med for crying out loud.
I know a couple of members on the ADCOM committee and some of the people they’ve accepted are just downright stupid or had connections with the school.
Of course you may think the 3.3 gpa is low, but she was an ENGINEERING major.
Of course when you take advanced thermodynamics and quantum mechanics etc you’re going to get strings of Bs left and right.
They told her her gpa wasn’t strong enough.
Are you fucking kidding me?
She wasn’t some dumbfuck psychology major with a C in orgo and a bunch of A in pseudoscience or a communications major.
The game is so unbalanced that it’s just better to go to community college and get easy As and then transfer out and finish it at some cheap state school.
Would’ve enjoyed college a lot more too that way.
But anyways,
This is why medical schools and the medical insurance industry needs to be reformed as part of health care reform.
First of all, the AMA monopoly on medical school formation needs to be revoked. Monopolies are illegal and un-american and should be crushed wherever they appear. One need only look at the exorbitant fees that they charge on the MCAT and USMLEs for instance. The AMA has artificially limited the supply of doctors for years in a blatant attempt to manipulate the market. We need a lot more schools training a lot more medical practitioners at all levels.
Second, we need to get medical school tuition under control by whatever means necessary. Flagship public schools like UC Berkeley have produced some of best graduate students in the world while keeping tuition very low. We should not be saddling potential doctors with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, or dissuading people from pursuing a career in medicine due to their fear of this debt.
Third, we need to regulate the insurance industry and get rid of the completely out-of-control malpractice situation in this county. Doctors currently require very high salaries because they have to pay so much in needless malpractice insurance.
Get rid of that and we can actually make some progress that makes sense for all.
Actually you’re right that specialists in other countries make good money,
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/15/business/economy/GPpay.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/15/business/economy/crsdoctors.jpg
Apparently, in the first graph, in the US they make 150k a year compared to Britain which is 110K. But how are taxes between the two (i.e. net income after taxes?).
HOWEVER, if you check out the second link, you’ll find that specialists in the Netherlands and Australia make $23,000 and $17,000 more than specialists in America.
UK specialists average 150k though.
Let’s notforget that . in Western Europe, medical schools are free, pay is lower in studies. But do remember in europe doctors work at most..60 hours a week and have amazing vacations. if any of you go to paris or vienna or any other european city, you’ll notice that everything is closed by 5:30PM so the life style is pretty good in Europe.
Physician compensation in many socialized countries is great, they do really well when you figure in that their education is taken care of, they work less hours, and they don’t get sued (France and Germany are exceptions). However this health care reform bill doesn’t give us any of these perks. We might get them eventually 10-15 years down the line when people finally start realizing that it doesn’t make financial sense to become a doctor. However our generation of med. students will probably be screwed as the transition is made.
Because I’m British? But I do plan on doing gas in America, plan on doing Step 1 in the summer.
Come check out the new forum, MDUnderground. I think you’ll like it.
Hi Hoover,
I am returning here just to tell you that I will be thrown out of my residency with only lousy 1 year left. Nowadays, I am trying to find another residency but they are spoiled and want to only take those who wish to “relocate for geographic reasons.” I was looking for other options, willing even to get an alternative degree for a different profession, however, nobody seems to prefer medical doctors. One online MBA program actually asks about the highest education level, without even a “doctor” option, only “master’s” as the highest. I just want to say that it sucks ass that people who don’t finish high school get GEDs and are praised as heroes, while those who don’t finish residency are thrown out on the street and looked at as pariahs.
Sucks to be you.
No, it sucks to be your mom, she’s got herpes and doesn’t know from whom.
You can work for the military as a GMO (general military officer). You’d probably be a paper pusher, make around 90-100k a year, and after 20 years of service you’d get a pension with 50% income of the average of the last 3 years that you worked for them. You can also transfer that time from the military to the federal or state government too though they may have longer time requirements that you have to work for them.
You should also consider considering trying to finish the residency at some other place. Try hard and try often. Don’t give up and apply everywhere.
Give good reasons why you fucked up. Make up shit and make it convincing if need be. Your fiancee died of cancer or you lost your best friend to diarrhea can help. Yeah, it sounds fucked up, but when you’re in a shitty situation, sometimes you have to make up shit.
But maybe you really are a shitty doctor and I wouldn’t want you practicing on me or anybody else for the matter if you were really bad.
Go into something that you won’t kill someone though will ya? And don’t take it the wrong way, doesn’t mean you’re incompetent or a retard.
Workout, eat right, be informed, take some time off to reflect, make friends, be a happier person, hang out with your family again, and become mentally “whole” again — this may take 5-6 months or maybe even a year to three or four.
Whatever is the case, just make sure you’re mentally whole and prepared for the next step.
And don’t waste your time with any more degrees. An MBA, law school degree, etc. are going to add to your debt and are in general a waste of time and money. You won’t even get a job. The fact that you don’t even know this show sthat you’re grossly ignorant about the world outside of medicine.
Start reading about economics, maybe take some classes in personal finance, micro and macroeconomics, and stay on top of things.
You lose if you don’t otherwise.
I’m doing research now, no thanks to you and your stupid “advices”! Go fuck yourself!
I’m a M1 in my second semester and just got done with my block 1 exams. Every single day my desire to quit med school becomes greater but I’m just trying to bear it out as of now. Anyway, I’d like to write for this site.
-AK
I’d like to write. I hate medical school, I’m a third year, and all the bullshit they told us isn’t true. Clerkships suck, people treat you like ass, and there really isn’t anything to look forward too. I’d like to write about, nurses, crappy preceptors/attendings, 3rd year, sexual harrassment, and general bullshit.
Thanks
I’d like to write too, finally tell all about what hell this really is. You can know everything and be a good student and that doesn’t mean jack shit if you are a poor test taker. The NBME will take your money and give you a the royal finger afterward.
Please count me in… I’m sarcastic as hell and bitter to boot.
My Caribbean med school is run like that movie boiler room, all show with the bait and switch after. What can I say? I’ve been had and some assholes are running all the way to the bank with it.
Thank you God,thank you, and thanks to all the other warriors – for this blog
I’m a resident in my first year of Hell, but I march to the beat of my own drummer and am free from the evil claws of debt. Therefore, I have no fear in pissing people off.
If you want me to write for your website(and you should), its gonna cost you.
Getting fucked over twice, once getting into medical school, once getting into residency because of the stupid bureaucracy that is behind admissions and the match makes me want to broadcast it. Kind of like the scientologists trying to get out.
Hey whats up everyone. Went to a caribbean med school (hell) and transferred into a med school in Puerto Rico as an MS III. Im going to be honest here… I love studying medicine… I just hate having to kiss ass and deal with some docs who fit into the deuche bag category. Im going into pathology so that I can still enjoy the fruits of life. As my name implies, I like mothers so don’t introduce me to yours.. as a matter of fact, Im on a date with your mother at this very moment. What else… I love walks on the beach, poetry, and crying during chick flicks…
Like always, droppin’ it like its hot…
I’m a medical school in Canada and feel like someone shat all over my soul. I am not being taught to educate ignorant patients, but rather to be a glorified customer sales agent who is forced to take shit from hillbilly yokels, watch tards smoke and drink their way through pregnancies, and watch my tax dollars siphon into the intravenous for a half brain-dead 95 year-old coot whose daughter wants her alive for another week. And I can’t do shit about it. The majority of my classmates think I’m insensitive and as a result I’m seldom allowed to voice my true opinion in group discussions without receiving the swift brunt of a multi-person counter-offensive. I painstakingly have to listen as their mouths spew verbal sewage littered with ethical idealism reminiscent of Hollywood movies, likely as a result of a sheltered upper-middle class suburbian upbringing.
I’d like to write. Promise I won’t include so many convoluted run-on sentences
embarrassing that I already said “I am a medical school”
student. student.
So there’s like a dozen folks who want to write, great. So write something and then submit it to him, guys, or I’ll have to do it. “Sure, I’m tired and bitter and think I’m funny, too, hur hur” isn’t a whole lot to work with.
lmao fun story bro.
I left a job in tv & film to go to medical school… I’m a fucking idiot. Believe me folks, I know from experience, this shit ain’t like what we show on tv…
Now finishing up my first year I’m more exhausted than I’ve ever been and all the stories about medical school chewing people up and making them want to get the fuck out are ringing very true. It’s no damn surprise there is a shortage of physicians in the US – it’s because the old guys did their duty and spoke true words to the retarded premeds who’d go and shadow them, saying “don’t be an idiot, do something else…fucking anything else.” Shit, I heard that before I came too but was too stupid to listen. Now I realize, they were only trying to save me… Medical School can suck my balls.
Ouch. I heard that phrase ““don’t be an idiot, do something else” from every single doctor I’ve shadowed except one. The one, however, was essentially the same message as she said “If you can imagine yourself doing something else, don’t go into medicine.” Finally got my head on straight and didn’t continue the application process and submit my money for the secondary app fees. I did some serious soul-searching, and found that I value sleep and personal time very much…..totally incompatible with medicine.
Do you plan to leave med school? 1 year isn’t far into it. Just curious what your plans are.
I dunno, I probably seriously considered quitting a couple of dozen times the first two years, but things turned around third year. I kinda wonder if I just had a great school, though, they didn’t seem really go so much for the chewing you up part, or maybe it’s just me. I actually had a residency interview where she asked me how I still managed to make it through and still be so laid-back, like the typical applicant is so beaten down they’re scared of their own shadow or something. Sometimes I seriously suspect the majority of doctors got so conditioned to take it like a bitch in med school and residency, they turn around and roll right over for insurance companies, lawyers, private and government regulators, adminstrators, and anyone else who wants to get paid to tell them how to do their job, and that’s like 95% of what doctors seem to hate about medicine. Well guess what limp-dicks, when you never stand up for yourself for fear of disapproval, these things happen.
Rant finished. Seriously, what else are you planning to do? The grass is always greener; I actually don’t know anyone who doesn’t complain about their job, and most I know who’ve actually worked in another field before med school tend to wonder what everybody is complaining about. Long hours, low pay, and abuse aren’t that uncommon. If you liked your old job, though, why did you quit?
There’s not that many jobs that pay well and let you work with your hands and actually feel productive. And as for the monetary rewards for graduate education, talk to a few post-doc PhD’s working their asses off in research for years for peanuts, knowing only 25% will ever get that coveted tenured position at the end, which is still less than a typical doctor makes. Sorry, chumps, intelligence and education really aren’t that highly valued by our society. If the joy of actually using them isn’t reward enough for you, then see your work as work and try to get your jollies elsewhere. Your peasant ancestors probably didn’t go out in the fields year after year for the sheer love of back-breaking labor, either, at least you’ll probably have AC.
I agree with CK1, one of our professors quoted this in one of our lectures, “If you can imagine yourself doing something else, don’t go into medicine.” I smiled upon seeing that. I can’t even count the times I wondered why I even thought of putting myself here. I’m on 3rdyr but I can pretty much say this early on for premeds out there contemplating going into medicine, I suggest you think it over a lot. Getting in might be hard but getting out of med school is even harder. Seriously people are not quitting not because they love so much to be here but because getting out would take more courage than sucking it all in. I do salute all those people who had the courage to quit and admit the hell we’re going through. For me, I’ll do what hoover did. I’ll endure til’ I get my diploma and license. Then that’s it, no more residency for me.
not sure what’s the best post to place my comment, but here goes. this is more of a gloomy confession than a rant, made in the anonimity of the internet. i was googling how many residents quit residency, and i somehow made my way here. so many of the things written/commented on here are true. i’m about to start internship in a couple weeks, and i’m having second thoughts.
i was just a kid in high school, not really knowing what i wanted to do in life. my parents suggested medicine from an early age, and i went with that, not wanting to disappoint them. my grades were top of the class, and i really did and still do look up to the prototypical physician, ready to give advice and order life saving or improving treatments. however, i wish i had heard the advice about thinking things through before going to med school. because if i had really thought it out and knew what i know now, i would’ve chose something that made me happier.
i think i was lucky. med school itself wasn’t all that bad. my rotations were really relatively benign, although i did observe most of the items in the “101 things” list. it’s just that after 1st year and clinical exposure activities made me realize that i didn’t really like having to cram so much knowledge in my head and hope it sticks, or having to use the knowledge in the real world, always afraid of making a mistake. i was near the top of my class in 1st year but afterwards i kind of gave up because i had a feeling i wasn’t going to enjoy medicine. from 2nd year on, i stopped studying but i managed to pass every test with my test taking skills and little bits and peices i pick up in lectures and rotations. my step scores were so freaking terrible and it destroyed my confidence. during 3rd/4th year rotations, i was on the look out for a specialty that i really liked, but nothing stood out. i wasn’t feeling happy, and i wondered if this is how i’ll feel like for the rest of my career.
my drive from the start of med school wasn’t enough to keep me motivated through to graduation. now i feel down that i had a whole world open to me after high school, and i sort of got pushed into one path without knowing what was in store. scholarship and parents have kept me out of much debt, so i was actually considering quiting school and find another career. i stuck to it and said well maybe i’ll finish school first, no one likes quitters. then i sort of went through the motions and got into a decent residency program, even with my grades, and now i feel trapped.
i mean, it felt great when patients were discharged in a better condition than when they were admitted, but the things that got to me were the hours, fatigue, social isolation, uncertainty, not having the right answers, fear of mistakes, frustration and sorrow with dying patients. i’m not doing medicine for the money or prestige. i’m really frugal, probably could’ve chose another as profitable career, and have no need to stand out or become “higher” than the rest of the population. i really want to be someone who can change other people’s lives. but i am a low stress kind of person, and i don’t think the sacrifices are worth the rewards for me. however, i never quit or told anyone how i felt. i’ve seen residents talked behind each other’s backs about how one of them wasn’t tough enough or how there’s no such thing as crying in medicine.
i haven’t read all the comments yet, but it seems that there are other people with somewhat similar thoughts as mine. i’m not sure if my fears and negativity is out of proportion to reality and coloring my perception. maybe i’ve even been dysthymic. i really hope residency will restore my ambition for medicine. but i know it’s going to tough, especially intern year, so it may actually be hell for me. i wonder if anyone who has been in my position and is in residency now has any new perspectives? maybe in 6 months or a year, i’ll come back here and post an update.
to add to this. i’m not trying to actively discourage premeds or current meds from avoiding this career. i’m just finally letting out the story about how i got where i am now, and i think it is a good idea for anyone to stop and consider where they’re headed before they make a commitment
now that i think about it. maybe i’ve been mildly depressed and i’ve bottled up all my unhappiness and disatisfaction, as i’ve never revealed it to anyone, and with the sudden change from med school to the real world looming, it’s all coming out in a great big crappy diarrhea of self-loathing and pity. i should get one of my classmates going into psych to write me for some happy pills. ah well. wish me luck. see you in 6 months with an update
Yeah, I kinda wonder why kindness and compassion seem to apply to everyone in healthcare but residents and med students. Oh right, it’s because they have the plausible option of leaving whenever they want and finding a new job or a new doctor and you really don’t. It’s really that simple, never forget it, the rest is just bullshit blame the victim rationalization.
I think most things are doable, I just get a little tired of the slave mentality I see out there. Your life is always what you’re doing right now, not some imaginary future where everything is great, because even then you’re going to have a whole new set of problems. So carve out your happiness now or it might never come. I’m a bit sick of the “well, it’s only one rotation, I can do one rotation” mentality. It’s a serviceable strategy for survival but hardly one for victory. It’s never only one rotation, there’s always another one and then another one. You’re either willing to stand up for yourself or you’re not. Act like a whipped dog and expect to get treated like one. Act like a human being and you just might be surprised. Yeah, the deck is scandalously stacked against us at every turn from an employment perspective, and we’re made to feel like we have no leverage, but I have to believe there’s more choices available than eat shit or leave.
well it’s been one month. it got slightly better but it was hell for me. i don’t feel cut out for this kind of work, with this level of responsibility and committing to diagnoses and making plans, doing quick evaluation/decision making to get things done when work piles up. i feel so spent. i’m kind of hanging in there, and have an elective to take a breather. but i’m not sure if i’ll last 3 years or just one year. everyone says it gets better after internship so i’ll try my best to go at least one year. at least i’ll have internship done and get past step 3. from other forums it sounds like there are some career choices with some internship but few non-clinical. finishing internship won’t help me with other opportunities but i guess if i wanted to come back or switch specialties it’s better to not leave early
I hear ya. I’m an intern, too. I kinda like it though, except for the hours. It’s pretty crappy that they get forced on us. There was even a class-action lawsuit a while back protesting the anti-competitive nature of residency and the match, so Congress passed a law specifically exempting residencies from all those pesky labor laws. Nice. With them outlawing deferment of student loans, we really are the last bastion of indentured servitude, until the too big to fail banks buy laws forcing all these people underwater on their mortgage into debtor’s workhouses anyway.
If you don’t really care about making tons of money, there’s nothing forcing you to work longer hours than you want, seriously. There’s some low-stress doc in a box clinical work with an hourly wage most people would kill for out there that you can do with just an internship and a license. What residents do for moonlighting you can make your job, without the residency sucking up all your time. I’m convinced most doctors wind up in high-stress environments because that’s what they’re accustomed to and either don’t know or don’t care to break the mold, but there’s always another option. Maybe you never cared about having the power that being a doctor affords you, but it’s there nevertheless. If having responsibility for other people’s health scares you into fading into the background that’s one thing, if you just don’t like your current work environment, that’s something quite negotiable once you can emancipate yourself from out of the anti-competitive labor shithole of residency and legally practice on your own.
I attend a top 20 medical school in the US. It sucks. I’ve been treated like shit for going on four years now. The med school tried to destroy my dignity, my personality, and my strength, and I said no thank you. No thank you clinical medicine. I do not want to do algorithmic work for years. I do not want to have my freedom restricted and my creativity destroyed. I want to be free and I Will Be Free. My classmates are afraid of their own fucking shadows, and I stand tall every day. I am happy and they are depressed and beaten down, shadows of their former personas, beaten down by a system that is bent upon destroying the very humanity. I am not afraid, I’m applying for an MBA and I will be an entrepreneur/venture capitalist. Thank you to the medical school for teaching me how important a good work ethic is, the importance of being well-rested, the importance of being HAPPY and LOVING your work, and the importance of treating everyone with respect. I was treated like shit, handed money and told to buy everyone (Except me) lunch down the street around the corner like some slave. I treat everyone the same – be it janitor, nurse, physician, CEO, carpenter. I don’t buy into any of this physicians-are-morally-superior BS, they are just as corrupt as everyone else. I applaud all of those who free themselves from this cage of oppression…
@Freedom – DUDE! I want to do the same thing! I actually took a year off (after 2nd year) to start a company (awesome inc) and would like to help my fellow entrepreneurially inclined classmates acquire the testicular fortitude to act on their ideas. Best of luck to you!
The grass is always greener. So as soon as you get that MBA life will be good, huh? You’ve got oodles of creativity that will not be bound in rote and routine, but you still seek the comforting conformity of credentials. Memorizing medical algorithms bad, memorizing accounting algorithms good. The world of medicine isn’t quite egalitarian enough for your tastes, I know, let’s try finance instead. There’s no hierarchy or competition whatsoever in the business world, no sirree. It’s smiles and love all around, because there’s always plenty of work to go around rain or shine what with business schools and their strict admission standards and draconian limits on the annual amount of degrees awarded, and the fact that you need a degree and license to even legally practice as a card-carrying entrepreneur. And venture capitalists have such a terrific reputation as being warm, nurturing, kind-hearted souls who would never even think of sending an underling out to do something so degrading as buying lunch for them and their associates while they’re working. One wonders how they get any work done at all.
Hi Hoover,
I’m a 5th year medical student in Malaysia (the final year), and I just wanna say that I love your site! After reading through some your posts, now I’m seriously thinking about doing something else as soon as I get my degree. Wish me luck!
hey we are in a similar boat! I’ve done my 5 years in China,being a foreign student. Now just started master’s cos I have no bloody idea what to do for my future..and my parents are hard to convince. anyway i’m hoping to start a business of my own, or get a general job if I drop out halfway. Gd luck to u too!!
Thanks for the kind wish. Im wishing u all the best as well.
Hi,
So I’m a third year in medical school, and today I was told my honors/high passes/passes in the first two years mean absolutely dick, and that my “pass” in my clerkships isn’t impressive enough to get me a pediatric residency anywhere but Spudhole Idaho. I have mediocre Step 1 and I’ve finally just had it. All of my friends are going to be making more money, have more spare time and half are already married and popping out babies. Now I’m being told I’m too mediocre to do something mediocre? Thank you for wasting my time, my money, and my fertility, god knows my ovaries will be a graveyard by the time I can afford to reproduce and even then I’ll probably have a husband banging the Dunkin Doughnut cashier because she has time to listen to how he really feels. Thank you medical school for being a total bullshit waste of time. I’m soooo happy we all wanted to help others, and bascially sell our souls for it, oh wait I’m back in Catholic school again, but at least those bastards get rich…I’ll be paying off loans until eternity. Maybe I’ll have to start banging governors to make my way in this world…it seems to work
Online dating sies like Plenty Of Fish and others can be great and an very good way to connect. You must be careful, though since many sites are now being hacked. It’s a good idea to use a special email account for your online dating account. You can read some horror stories about dates gone horribly wrong on Plenty Of Fish Tales.
I am in my 3rd year in med school in Australia, and can I just say, that after feeling less and less motivated in the course from pretty much the get-go of 1st year, what a sigh of relief I breathed to find this place and to discover that not everyone studying medicine is 100% motivated to go into this alienating, uncaring, unforgiving career.
For the first time, I am considering alternatives and not feeling bat-shit-guilty about it.
Hi, fucking hate med school, i´m on my senior year (6/6 years) about to become a Dr. and i feel like a mediocre, its been long time since a grab a book a read it, i think all of my rotations are going through my hands like water, im not learning shit!
In about 4 months im having my final exam, any suggestions how i can get to STUDY a little bit?
Cheers from Central America!
Really? This site is founded by some asshole who “pushes paper” for a living. Yeah, that changes lives for sure. All of these people couldn’t handle the stress, so they quit. I think it’s great they did, nobody wants a pussy for their doctor! It’s not all unicorns and rainbows, it’s hard work and dedication for what you love. I’m just fine in making it, but then again I have some balls. Don’t discourage people not to fucking do what makes them happy or discourage them to save lives. You’re ignorant pricks. If it’s not for you, GTFO and do something else, quit running your mouth.